Create "EMI Music Canada Pressing Plant"?

The background;

Initial discussion started here over 6 years ago but evidence was not thought sufficient at that time.

https://www.discogs.sie.com/forum/thread/780167?message_id=7737860#7737860

Further current discussion here due to the interaction with Sony's (Sony DADC) Canadian operations.

https://www.discogs.sie.com/forum/thread/1114478

Based on the threads above and taken roughly chronologically the evidence to date ing the case for the creation of a plant label + identifying the IFPI 1F** press codes as the plants is as follows.

EMI Music Canada dating back before the advent of SID codes.

The customer identifier used in the matrix by DISQUE AMERIC looks to be <011> or later <0011>

Here's an indicative search https://www.discogs.sie.com/search/?type=all&matrix=%3C011%3E

There was also a period where "MANUFACTURED BY EMI MUSIC CANADA" appeared in discs glass mastered by Disque Americ.

Examples from the early SID code era Edgar Froese - Beyond The Storm.

Subsequently the US EMI MFG. was also used for glass mastering until that plants closure in 2004.

Lastly the Sony DADC, Toronto plant was used for Glass Mastering up until the closure of EMI's Canadian manufacturing plant in 2007. Glass masters done here on EMI's behalf commonly including a sequential 'E' number.

Nb. There is also sometimes an 'E' number (and a 'V' number for Virgin releases) used in the Disque Americ era matrix that I have noticed that may also be sequential?

The Press SID IFPI 1F** being used consistently across these different Glass Master providers.

2007 was the last year for any use of IFPI 1F**. Once the EMI's Canadian plant closed that year use of the code retired completely.

Here is some primary evidence that the Canadian plant existed, and the scope of the manufacturing undertaken there.

Manufacturing Info: https://web.archive.org/web/20050223033440/http://emicanada.com/manufacturing.asp

On Making CD's there: https://web.archive.org/web/20050227090201/http://emicanada.com/making_cd.asp

Accordingly, the following is proposed.

1.Create an "EMI Music Canada Pressing Plant" label with the following
- Identify IFPI 1F** as their press code.
- Confirm they did not do their own glass masters.
- Identify the 'E' (Sony/DADC era) sequential number as theirs.
- identify use of Disque Americ, EMI MFG., Sony DADC, Toronto for glass mastering.
- Note that ‘CA’ is commonly included (stamped?) in the matrix string band of the 1F** pressed releases glass mastered by EMI MFG..

2. Update EMI MFG. to reflect their interrelationships with the newly created 'EMI Music Canada Pressing Plant' label.

3. Update EMI Music Canada to reflect and cross link to the newly created 'EMI Music Canada Pressing Plant' label.

https://www.discogs.sie.com/lists/US-CD-Manufacturing-Plants/556300

This list may or may not be helpful. Should have a few Canadian plants in it + their SID codes, if known.

disneyfacts
Should have a few Canadian plants in it + their SID codes, if known.

Thanks for the reminder about your list.

The 1F** SID codes have not been previously attributed to anyone.

But if we end up agreeing to the creation of a new plant label, I will let you know so that it can be added to your list.

It's +1 from me for all this, nice summary

+1 also from me as research looks sound.

+1, thanks for the summary.

Thanks all for your .

If no issues come forward by the end of the week, I will get the label creation/edits started.

+1 for summary from me, too.

Just a question.... why not use "EMI Music Canada, Mississauga, ON" instead?

And to confirm, and using Adrian Belew - Side Two as an example:
Glass mastered at - Sony DADC, Toronto
Pressed By - EMI Music Canada Pressing Plant - E00374-1

?

star_man_20
And to confirm, and using Adrian Belew - Side Two as an example:
Glass mastered at - Sony DADC, Toronto
Pressed By - EMI Music Canada Pressing Plant - E00374-1

That's a good question!

The appended "-n" looks like it might be the glass master number they are up to for the same job number?

Some examples Various - Not Alone - Médecins Sans Frontières - Doctors Without Borders.

star_man_20
Just a question.... why not use "EMI Music Canada, Mississauga, ON" instead?

The label name was based on this suggestion from Myriad.

" it would make sense to consider a new label profile along the lines of 'EMI Music Canada Pressing Plant' similar to all the vinyl pressing plant label profiles that exist, as EMI Music Canada is a generic company/brand name that existing possibly before and after the manufacturing plant was active under this name."

From here https://www.discogs.sie.com/forum/thread/1114478#11579187

Hoping Myriad will have a view here.

spekem
Hoping Myriad will have a view here.

Well, my thinking was really just that it would be good to separate EMI's physical manufacturing plant from the generic EMI Music Canada profile which is used as label and record company rather than a specific physical entity. I can be flexible on specific naming convention used

Myriad
Well, my thinking was really just that it would be good to separate EMI's physical manufacturing plant from the generic EMI Music Canada profile which is used as label and record company rather than a specific physical entity. I can be flexible on specific naming convention used

I certainly agree there.

May be a slightly punchier alternative could be 'EMI Music Canada Plant, Mississauga' or similar?

That said I'm happy to go with the flow in the end.

spekem
I certainly agree there.

May be a slightly punchier alternative could be 'EMI Music Canada Plant, Mississauga' or similar?

That said I'm happy to go with the flow in the end.

Glad to hear that.

How about: "EMI Mfg, Mississauga, Canada"?

We can also strike one of the locations from the name, too, if it still seems too long/wordy, or replace Canada with "ON".

star_man_20
How about: "EMI Mfg, Mississauga, Canada"?

Was the Canadian plant called EMI Mfg?

Myriad
star_man_20How about: "EMI Mfg, Mississauga, Canada"?
Was the Canadian plant called EMI Mfg?

Just found this: https://www.can1business.com/company/Dissolved/Emi-Manufacturing-Ltd

(Thank you https://www.discogs.sie.com/forum/thread/780167 )

Also for the new profile: the label for the plant when it was Capitol's: Capitol Records-EMI Of Canada Limited, Mississauga

Edit: Fixed the thread link.

star_man_20
Myriadstar_man_20How about: "EMI Mfg, Mississauga, Canada"?
Was the Canadian plant called EMI Mfg?

Just found this: https://www.can1business.com/company/Dissolved/Emi-Manufacturing-Ltd

(Thank you Madturtle3 for the research you posted in https://www.discogs.sie.com/forum/thread/780167)

Also for the new profile: the label for the plant when it was Capitol's: Capitol Records-EMI Of Canada Limited, Mississauga

Fixed broken link:
(Thank you Madturtle3 for the research you posted in https://www.discogs.sie.com/forum/thread/780167

I keep forgetting that Discogs will include punctuation at the end of thread links.

star_man_20
Myriadstar_man_20How about: "EMI Mfg, Mississauga, Canada"?
Was the Canadian plant called EMI Mfg?

Also for the new profile: the label for the plant when it was Capitol's: Capitol Records-EMI Of Canada Limited, Mississauga

That label is really the same as Capitol Records-EMI Of Canada Limited and should be invalidated.

Pinging Columbia Records Pressing Plant, Don Mills, ON

Madturtle3
Pinging cheebacheebakid who was a great help in a similar situation setting up Columbia Records Pressing Plant, Don Mills, ON

https://www.discogs.sie.com/forum/thread/793734

This is from the University of Calgary archive which holds all of Capitol / EMI Canada corp. records.
"1974 - Board meeting of Capitol US held in Toronto.
1976 - Record pressing plant opens adjacent to American Drive head office."

The name of the company at time the plant was established was "Capitol Records–EMI of Canada Ltd."

It seems logical to me that Capitol Records–EMI of Canada Ltd. Pressing Plant or Capitol Records–EMI of Canada Ltd. Pressing Plant, Mississuagua would be a logical name.

Madturtle3
It seems logical to me that Capitol Records–EMI of Canada Ltd. Pressing Plant or Capitol Records–EMI of Canada Ltd. Pressing Plant, Mississuagua would be a logical name.

This.

It made vinyl from the mid 70s until 1984. Cassettes from …?… until well into the 90s, also did a lot of cassette duplication for WEA/Warner Canada. Only became EMI Music Canada in the early 90s.

Currently we just have the previous Capitol company name for pressed/duplicated by.

Madturtle3
It seems logical to me that Capitol Records–EMI of Canada Ltd. Pressing Plant or Capitol Records–EMI of Canada Ltd. Pressing Plant, Mississuagua would be a logical name.

Do we have any final agreement on naming?

One nagging thought I have is if we should actually create two new profiles. One for the vinyl plant and one for the cd plant.

I have no idea if they were one and the same or if they were independent.

From the U of Calgary link.
1993 - Name changes to EMI Music Canada (1993-2012).
1995 - EMI Music Canada CD production plant opens.

Cassette production would overlap both of those.

brunorepublic
Cassette production would overlap both of those.

True, but two plants could run concurrently.

Madturtle3
One nagging thought I have is if we should actually create two new profiles. One for the vinyl plant and one for the cd plant.

I think we should have 2 profiles. Everything found and mentioned in this thread describes the CD plant being a new (separate) facility.

star_man_20
I think we should have 2 profiles

Yes, that seems sensible.

I have focused on the CD side of things and 1995 would provide a useful start point for that.

CDs were done for Capitol/EMI prior to that by Disque Americ but given Capitol/EMI did not have a CD pressing plant then and SID codes were just beginning there would not be scope for the Pressed By role in any case

FWIW as of now the draft profile I have mocked up focuses on the CD plant side of things.

Can you establish that there were actually two plants? Local or business press releases?

Madturtle3
Can you establish that there were actually two plants?

Would it be more a case of the same plant location repurposed?

This "The plant stopped pressing vinyl on July 13, 1984 but did continue its tape duplication operations." from Capitol Records-EMI Of Canada Limited.

Myriad
Was the Canadian plant called EMI Mfg?

star_man_20
Just found this: https://www.can1business.com/company/Dissolved/Emi-Manufacturing-Ltd

Using EMI Manufacturing, (+ location) for the plant label name would also be consistent with how the US plant is labeled.

I think we're is a loop here.
https://www.discogs.sie.com/forum/thread/780167#7738136
Page 7 in first link, Page 2 in second link.
Pinging cheebacheebakid again.

Look at the plaque which shows the LP / Cassette plant's name.

spekem
Would it be more a case of the same plant location repurposed?

Looks plausible and I think that is what brunorepublic is getting at.. That's why I was asking if there were any trade publications or local news media reports that can be accessed regarding the CD plant.. I don't know how to search RPM.

This from wayback - "EMI Music Canada - History" as at around 2000. It suggests that is where the various manufacturing activities took place.

https://web.archive.org/web/20000304150335/http://emimusic.ca/html/history.html

I went through most of RPM 1994 and 1995 issues but couldn't find anything on an EMI cd plant. There are issues missing.

It makes sense to me that the same physical location was revamped to produce CDs as Vinyl presses were removed while audio and video cassettes continued to be made. There was an article talking about a new distribution manager.

Madturtle3
It makes sense to me that the same physical location was revamped to produce CDs as Vinyl presses were removed while audio and video cassettes continued to be made.

Yes, I also think the reason we can't find a separate facility is because there isn't one.

As the label history from wayback says.

"By 1967 the company had outgrown its Queen Street location and moved to American Drive in Mississauga. The facilities consisted of a new 50,000 square foot head-office and central distribution warehouse, located on four acres of land-allowing ample room for the widespread expansion it had begun". Looked at on Google maps it is a large premises and located in a light industrial area.

Also, the Canadian Business Registration of "EMI Manufacturing Ltd." although legally dissolved only in 1997, had its last AGM in 1989 and its last annual filings in 1989. That name (in whole or part) has not appeared on any releases I have looked at and certainly by the EMI Canada era it does not seem to have been a functional entity.