Might be useful to have a link to a site like Multimap so that Oggers can plan a route, unless everyone one is already familiar with an online map site.
Just a thought for the longer term. It would be nice if the threads for each city are either periodically sumarised with a post that updates all of the info from above in that thread. Mainly in an attemp to prevent people having to scroll through a lengthy thread for info. Or perhaps request updates from s to always be in the form of adding to and updating the previous post, a bit like the oggers rankhunting world cup was done. Consistency is the key.
Also on the idea of map links and extra resource info - travel tips etc,: if a city becomes bursting with info - say like London might do, perhaps a new sub forum could be opened and the London thread(for example) would be stikyfied with a link to the new forum.
good thoughts 555. I agree....the site will be ever evolving, purging and updating. after a weeks/few months or so time we will probobly have to delete some of the small talk to keep the threads smaller and packed with the best of info.
nice donnacha. i intend to keep my local one D.C. up to date too
i plan on covering mississippi, alabama, louisana & tennesse, for what that is worth. not sure how many are interested, but there are a handful of places out there and some very worthwhile. probably less than 20 shops i'm sure.
It might be a better idea if each thread contained a link to an online map, so as to act as a 'You are here' type indicator which would save having to leave the thread to check a map-site. If it's a location that has a few shops listed, then a route-planner could also be done from within the thread. ;o)
absolutely - a must in my opinion for a good record shopping experience. I'd suggest adding such info alongside any location or background info to any record store within each city post. Update current city threads, so if they list a store with opening hours, addres etc, also add some brief notes on nearby pubs etc for sure.
Plastic Demons: can you put a sentence or two about posting a location map in the thread "FIRST TIME POSTING? PLEASE READ:)" somewhere. Also feel free to edit or re-word anything I say in my stickies, I'm not the best at expressing what I mean but you can tell I do it with at least some heart:) That goes to all s!!:)
Thanks Wobbler. I totally agree, I want this forum to be more than just a store name and an address, I want it to be an enjoyable afternoon trip that makes spending your hard earned cash less stressful too. For example ,so often you might be taking a vacation and your spouse will go along but it's really boring for them if they aren't searching, places of interest will ease their stress too and at least they feel like they saw a few sites and had some good food or drink. Wobbler didn't mention this but just as I think about it, I don't think we need to add Hotel's as nobody is going to stay in a certain hotel/motel since it's near a record store...plus where people stay is a little to personal of a choice and not enough general as a recommendation if you get me. Clubs could be a whole new subforum that would be great idea too. But if anytbody wants to include it in the thread that is fine:)
In the sticky "FIRST TIME POSTING? PLEASE READ:)" I wanted myself to come across as to the importance of adding places of interest around the record stores to make it more of a great all around day. I hope this forum can become that for people travelling:)
Opening hours is a great idea, I will add it to the "FIRST TIME POSTING? PLEASE READ:)" if another hasn't
I've started the Detroit list, which is currently organized in alphabetical order (I'm anal and I have too much free time).
So for myself and other list makers who will hopefully be editing and updating these on a semi-regular basis: Is it better to organize the lists by
(1) neighborhood/distric,
(2) straight alphabetical,
(3) by type of store - i.e. New, Used, DJ/Dance, Rock, Jazz,
(4) or some other method?
Or does it not even matter as long as the location/neighborhood and type of shop are somewhere in the shop description?
I'm leaning toward organizing by neighborhood because it seems the most convenient, but not sure if it's worth the work of re-organizing my list. Here's a good external example of a big list organized by neighborhood (for Tokyo).
A combo of 2/3 i think for my opinion: Alphabetical & in Genre's.
This is alot to ask of the though. But after it's all listed then we could copy and paste it around:)
Yeah, I guess as long as all the info is layed out clearly and consistently down the list, then how it's organized will not be quite as important.
But still curious if oggers have opinions on keeping things in some sort of order - esp. for places like London/NYC/Tokyo that are going to have huge lists.
There's no reason why we (s) can't edit the first post in each thread to become the main post, (if it's not already) then if other s have information to add about a particular location they can add it to the thread, and one of us can then edit the first post to include the new information. That way even if the person who starts the thread no longer maintains it, the information will be kept upto date and in a uniform style that's easy to navigate.
Cool. I'm already finding that editing long posts in these little text boxes is a bitch. I've been first copying it out of the browser text window, then pasting into MS-Word to work on editing the post, then copying back over to complete the edit/update.
I just added to the first post thread ing Multimap and re-worded it slightly, and I know what you mean about the text box size :o/
I haven't done to much to it as it's silly o'clock in the morning here, and I've been up way too many hours already so I stopped before I cocked it all up, whilst thinking I was actually making perfect sense.
It might be a good idea for visitors to cities to mention which hotels they stayed in and what they thought.
Also, as this forum grows it will become more difficult to find the city you're searching for. How about a sticky with an alphabetical list by country and then by city linking to each thread.
I think we should encourage visitors to cities who found a thread useful to say so. It makes people's hardwork more worthwhile.
How about a forum mod for each city or each mod covers a certain amount of cities.
Lastly, if I'm bored in work in the next few days I might do up a map of Dublin. How can I host it?
I have to say I like that idea about doing an index with links to the pages that can then be made sticky, that way you'll never be more than a few threads away depending on how many stickies there are. Nice one ;o)
We can let Tim have the pleasure of doing that now that he's mastered the art of linking. :op
I would like to make a suggestion whilst I'm on the subject of links, if we're going to use the Multimap option then I think we should use the shop name for the link, rather than for the shops own website which some have been used for. The fact that the Url is going to be printed under the address anyway if it exists, means that it might as well double up as the link to their website anyway. That way we can have some sort of continuity with the way the links work, does that sound like a sensible option?
"It might be a good idea for visitors to cities to mention which hotels they stayed in and what they thought. "
I think that could be good if people want to include that, after all the more info the better. Recommended Hotel's are found on any Expedia/Vacation planner website though, could just take up more room than needed, possibly being bigger than the record stores listed themselves?
"Also, as this forum grows it will become more difficult to find the city you're searching for. How about a sticky with an alphabetical list by country and then by city linking to each thread. "
I like that idea! well done.
along the same lines, It would be nice in the future if there could be some sort of folder organizing option where the could click the country and it opens up the cities. i think that would be ideal. I already thought of bringing up the idea to teo and see if he could implement something in the near future.
"I think we should encourage visitors to cities who found a thread useful to say so. It makes people's hardwork more worthwhile. "
I totally agree. Once people actually start using this forum(hopefully) and they return to say a little thanks I think we will start a thread with all the experiences or somethign along those lines.
"How about a forum mod for each city or each mod covers a certain amount of cities. "
that could be something to do. This is all voluntary though and I don't want to really have people assigned to do anything like it's a job. We all have paying jobs to worry about;)
So far we have 7 s with 2 I am waiting on answers for.
I would like enough so nobody has to do too much work but just once in ahwhile look in an update somethings would be nice.
All depending on how much they feel like helping:) plastic Demons
re:Multimap idea. I like it. The shop name for the link sounds good. very sensible;)
along the same lines, It would be nice in the future if there could be some sort of folder organizing option where the could click the country and it opens up the cities. i think that would be ideal. I already thought of bringing up the idea to teo and see if he could implement something in the near future.
that would be slick. alternately, and it would be a bit more work, but would function similarly, we could just have a country list (not cities) in the main index sticky post.
then each of these countries would link to another post/thread where we would then put links to all the individual city posts/threads.
The downside is there would be lots more threads in here (1 for each country), and the s would have to keep each one updated as new cities get added...
anybody have any thoughts about where to have record Fair or events that invlove selling records? Burpie just listed one in the Netherlands was why i am asking.
maybe just one sticky with events across the world?
We could easily include them in the city listings, along with the month/weeks of the year when they occur (most are usually the same week every year, right?)..
We might also want to keep an events sticky for the current ones, but that would require quite a bit more regular maintenance. I'm guessing it would still be manageable though, since there will probably only be a few listings for any given month.
if we include them in ther list there is more of a chance that we will forget to take them out when they are over though.
a thread with record fair's would probobly be better/easier to maintain. after a month or so there will be less stickies too...
we'll see if any other idea comes to mind from anyone.
On record fairs - depends on how regular they are. In the case of sydney, there is on that is at least once a year, in which case it should be in the main listing. Even semi regular ones should be in the main listing I think, with dates etc.
More ideas off the top of my head - once there is a consistent format (and so far I like pbl3's detroit and P_D's idea of updating the first post in each thread) it would be good if editing was done only where info was posted within the thread and not from checking links provided. Maybe check with people who provide links, but either way, the key is to keep the info straight from the horses mouth on the ground, not through internet links. I guess what I'm saying, is make internet links a "bonus" but given they can be out of date, focus on recency of info from s on the ground in each city.
I agree with Bones and 555- keeping this up to date is what will ultimately determine if the forum is useful.
There are a handful of similar shop lists around the internet, but almost every single one I've checked includes shops that no longer exist.
Even setting up the Detroit thread, I've had to do a bit of research, and it turns out a few shops had in fact closed down this year- one of htem just a couple months ago :( (I've still got a few more shops that may make it to the list once I can determine if they're still around or not)
"I agree with Bones and 555- keeping this up to date is what will ultimately determine if the forum is useful. "
also what will set this thread apart from the others is that that people will post things to do/pubs/restaurants in the area as well as they will be listed and recommended by discoggers!!:)
As with the Discogs database we want to avoid any web-submitted entries, or instances were someone knew this little shop they came across in 1992 and was really good. Only information from people that have personally visited the shop in say the last 3 - 6 months, should really be included if it's going to be kept actual, factual and upto date.
There are links to web sites that are in the native language of the country they are in, which is no use to anyone other than those already in that country or are multilingual. Can I suggest that web sites are not used unless they have the facility to be read in different languages.
well, the more information the better. just for example say the site was in russian, russia is a vast country so it would help travelling russians or whoever speaks the language. i don't think it hurts to have the website even if it's only in one language.
but yes, i definitly think it's better to have a personal of the visit here on discogs.
but i definitly think if it is just one language for it to be listed last on the post.
thoughts?
Just had a thought - Could we encourage people to add a date of their last visit to a particular store when adding them. This information could be then edited into the first post or main list within a thread. Thereby allowing potential visitors to know how current the information is.
Subsequent posters could then post their last visit date and any change to the store, or confirm the information is still current. This date would be added to the main list and become a kind of currency stamp to the info.
I thought of this when updating Sydney as one well know store has apparently closed down as of last Saturday. Given that this forum may be around for a long time, it is likely that details will change. Without a "last visit" style addition, viewers may not know the currency of the information. I found this the last two times I went overseas, I was using info that had been posted within the previous 6 months, but in some cases turned out to be quite out of date.
555xtrafunk: yeah good idea, if you want include a part about puting a date when the last time they visited in the "first time posting, please read" thread. or i can when i have a minute later today
i have been thinking about that since i started this forum....maybe we could do that as a sticky and see where it goes?
or it could be enough for it's own seperate forum?
Maybe see this sub forum here. I'm more in favour of keeping the record store index for record stores. On the ground, flipping through bins, heading to the pub afterwards. Especially as there is a reasonably active forum for online here already. Maybe a link from here to there and vice versa?
'I thought of this when updating Sydney as one well know store has apparently closed down as of last Saturday.' 555xtrafunk
That's a shame, sooooo many shops in London have shut down in the past couple of years, it breaks my heart. Nothing beats flicking through stacks of records and finding that hidden gem at the back of the rack, which you just don't get buying stuff online! Hardly ever a bargain deal on here or maybe it's just the music I like!
\0/ Long live the record shop \0/ :-)
i hadn't seen that subforum before, i guess we will keep them seperate.
like 555xtrafunk wrote "I'm more in favour of keeping the record store index for record stores. On the ground, flipping through bins, heading to the pub afterwards."
werd up to that!hopefully this forum will be a whole record shopping experience:)
uh oh... that's gonna cause some problems, i never thought about that stupid 90 day rule until now.
i'm an and i can't post replies either; perhaps TIM can since he's the forum owner, but i'm guessing not. however, i can edit the old posts, so if you post the content, then we can copy/paste it into the Leipzig thread.
that will work as a temoporary fix, but it would be better if teo could get rid of the 90-day rule, at least for this forum
i thought about the 90days period. if it's not possible for teo to cancel that - it's very useful in these thread - you (TIM) should make a new topic by yourself for this city and add all the old stuff plus the new infos, so the thread can also move upwards. i don't think that people are treated unfair in any way - the info is important. i don't like that some cities can't move up. what do you think?
For the future it would be better, that One Recordstore is one Entry in a Thread.
After posting a new Recordstore you can see at the City 11 Replies means 11 Stores.
yabbadabbadooooo
i thought about the 90days period. if it's not possible for teo to cancel that - it's very useful in these thread
hello yabbadabbadooooo :)
since i last posted about it 4 months ago, teo did unblock it for 9999 days i believe it is...
i just tried to post in a thread 8 months old and it let me do it. or am i missing something?
DT64
For the future it would be better, that One Recordstore is one Entry in a Thread.
After posting a new Recordstore you can see at the City 11 Replies means 11 Stores.
yeah something along those lines would be cool.
i brought up an idea as having some information mostly forum like this one to be able to be sorted and used in a format such as files in folders. like you could click on a country and in it is listed the cities and inside them the stores. this would be cool, even so much as it first appearing as a map and you could click on the maps countries and cities and stores....
but this is far from now, a folder idea would be a good start soon though...discogs moves slowly in some new areas as long time s know. change takes too much time when 1 or 2 guys make ALL the decisions.
