List of artists and labels incorrectly capitalised in the DB
Started by zin over 5 years ago, 1325 replies
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zin edited over 4 years ago
Incorrectly capitalised artist names - https://www.discogs.sie.com/lists/Incorrectly-capitalised-label-names/628010
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auboisdormant used to collect profiles of artists and labels that were incorrectly capitalised when first entered to the database. I always thought it'd be super useful to have it handy when (or IF) this bug gets fixed...
So I want to start compiling it again. When you spot an artist / label that's incorrectly capitalised
i.e. NIGHT SCHOOL
send me a priv. msg or post here with a link to it + correct spelling
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RACHELLE JEANTY should be Rachelle Jeanty -
Electro-Magnetic edited over 4 years ago
auboisdormant used to collect profiles of artists and labels that were incorrectly capitalised when first entered to the database.
I contributing to that list now and again. It was very useful! Is the original list still available/accessible?
The capitalisation bug, which has been around since the very beginning of Discogs, has been on the backburner to be fixed since that time. Now that the other Ogs site are closed (which was done so staff can concentrate solely on Discogs) will these and other old bugs finally be fixed? Let's hope so!
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zin edited over 4 years ago
Electro-Magnetic
I contributing to that list now and again. It was very useful! Is the original list still available/accessible?
I don't think so, that's why I decided to start over -
auboisdormant edited over 4 years ago
Just a fair warning that maintaining the list isn't always that rosy. I got tired of the abusive messages from s who disagree with their favorite artist or their bff's band being included in the list, and from artists who don't like being included in it because whatever. I have/had no time or interest to deal with that, and I also don't believe that this is an issue that the staff is intending to fix. It has never been a priority to them, and there will always be more important issues.
Noting also that https://www.discogs.sie.com/lists/-Capitalization-Mislabeling/158675 -
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I've always been bothered by the errant cap i in 1,000,000 LIght Years, but alas, nothing can be done. -
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WARNER MUSIC BRASIL LTDA., with over 3,000 releases on the page bothers me a lot. If anyone ever finds a way to fix the page or such a large number of releases, please include this -
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masterpiece is incorrectly listed with a lower case m. -
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STUDIO GREENBIRD should be in standard caps. -
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antmassam55
masterpiece is incorrectly listed with a lower case m.
What's the process required to change this? -
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At the moment there is no way to fix errors such as these in the Database. Folk have been waiting years to be able to make such amendments, but so far it's not been enacted. As far as I'm aware, this thread is just a place for collating such mistakes that need fixing once (if ever) this feature becomes available. -
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Emi/Bovema > EMI/Bovema
And then we have many many artist profiles like 'Boudewijn De Groot > Boudewijn de Groot
and many many more... -
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Anne-marie Dufour (should be Anne-Marie Dufour] -
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yuLLiPPe should be standard caps. -
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Same for MIKA KOBAYASHI. -
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technasia -> tried to fix this back in the days, by removing it from every release -> issue stayed -> opened SR -> reply was: "this is a glitch in database that cannot be fixed" -
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cereal
technasia -> tried to fix this back in the days, by removing it from every release -> issue stayed -> opened SR -> reply was: "this is a glitch in database that cannot be fixed"
Being in the IT industry, I highly doubt this is a "glitch (...) that cannot be fixed".
That's just they didn't implement an "new" feature in order to replace the Rename Artist feature they removed back in the days.
What I've always advocated for is a "Capitalization Change" feature that would allow some kind of "Light" Rename, i.e. you could change e.g. the uppercase character "A" to the lowercase character "a" but that still links to the same artist. -
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I got the same answer when I came a cross a label name with all caps. Seems just like laziness to me to not be willing to fix. But then again I'm not surprised since they haven't bothered with fixing anything about the database functionality for many years. -
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maxxyme
Being in the IT industry, I highly doubt this is a "glitch (...) that cannot be fixed".
Ohh I know it can be fixed, working in IT as well!
Discogs just does not spent time to get it fixed.... -
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Legrand Music should be LeGrand Music -
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Wb Music Corp. should be WB Music Corp. -
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I've updated my lists with all those suggestions -
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Any idea/hope if/when this bug could actually be fixed? -
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Another Label:
Japanese event location www, should be corrected to WWW (like in profile).
11 entries so far. -
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So is the intention/request that we set about correcting these incorrectly capitalised entries? Happy to lend a hand if so... -
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Trepas
Anne-marie Dufour (should be Anne-Marie Dufour]
Done (I think...) -
bobbley edited over 4 years ago
cereal
bobbley
Done (I think...)
Still the same "Anne-marie Dufour"
:-(
I've changed all (I think- I hadn't) the 'Anne-marie Dufours' to 'Anne-Marie Dufours'. does the 'marie' one need to be listed as an 'Invalid Artist'? how does 'Anne-Marie Dufours' need to be created as a stand alone artist to replace the other? -
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cereal
technasia -> tried to fix this back in the days, by removing it from every release -> issue stayed -> opened SR -> reply was: "this is a glitch in database that cannot be fixed"
See above, this is the same issue.
bobbley
I've changed all (I think) the 'Anne-marie Dufours' to 'Anne-Marie Dufours'. does the 'marie' one need to be listed as an 'Invalid Artist'? how does 'Anne-Marie Dufours' need to be created as a stand alone artist to replace the other?
Database bug, nothing we can do about this for now. -
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cereal
Database bug, nothing we can do about this for now.
For me, the artist page shows the capital 'M' with the artist name (but the address bar still has the lower case 'm').
...search 'anne-marie dufour' and 'Anne-Marie Dufour' displays as the result? -
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bobbley
...search 'anne-marie dufour' and 'Anne-Marie Dufour' displays as the result?
anne-marie dufour = Anne-marie Dufour as result and on artist page -
leinad edited over 4 years ago
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leinad
FRIDAY NIGHT PLANS
hikaru yamada and the librarians
Amended the entries for both artists. Shows OK on the individual releases, but PAN still remains with the wrong CAPS.
If this is indeed a bug, should the old PANS not be invalidated and new PANS created? -
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svendutchmountains
Amended the entries for both artists. Shows OK on the individual releases, but PAN still remains with the wrong CAPS.
If this is indeed a bug, should the old PANS not be invalidated and new PANS created?
Known bug, we cannot do anything about it! -
leinad edited over 4 years ago
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The band apart - as stated in profile, regularly stylized as 'the band apart', so should be changed to either
The Band Apart (this, I guess), or
the band apart -
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adabana records should be standard caps. -
leinad edited over 4 years ago
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Regarding FUNKIST, the profile mentions "Please used FUNKIST, not Funkist".
NiKolasMMizer Please be so kind to explain why Funkist should not be written as such? -
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leinad
EMPiRE (45)
BiSH (4)
LiNGLiNG (2)
GARNiDELiA
These should be left like that.
1.2.2.a. Artist names which have consistently unique letter-casing will be accepted with proof that the artist uses that spelling consistently and intentionally. This also applies to artist name particles (e.g. van, von, di, de, la, etc.), which can be in lower case if the artist spells it that way consistently. -
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Right Now (see cover). -
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cargo records is one I noticed recently. -
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leinad
I'm aware of RSG §1.2.2.a. I just don't see any sense (...)
So, it's basically: the Guidelines and artists vs. your opinion?
leinad
Also, it seems to be a pattern with their titles as well, so by that logic those should be capitalized the same: Right Now (see cover).
No, because RSG §1.2.2.a. applies only to artist names, not release / track titles. -
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Case
So, it's basically: the Guidelines and artists vs. your opinion?
I just shared an opinion, I'm not here to fight. Have a nice day. -
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leinad
And I just pointed out that preference edits are not OK and that you misinterpreted the guidelines regarding the titles. I can't see how that is a fight.
I just shared an opinion, I'm not here to fight. Have a nice day. -
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Case
And I just pointed out that preference edits are not OK and that you misinterpreted the guidelines regarding the titles.
I didn't misinterpret anything, I mentioned that it's a pattern with that particular artist as they spell both themselves and their titles as such. If according to guidelines the artist can be spelled uniquely (even if it's not an abstract word) then so be it. -
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leinad
You said about the titles that "by that logic those should be capitalized the same", which is clearly against the guidelines. This is a pretty useful forum thread, please do not hijack it with suggestions that are based on your preferences. Thanks.
I didn't misinterpret anything, I mentioned that it's a pattern with that particular artist as they spell both themselves and their titles as such. If according to guidelines the artist can be spelled uniquely (even if it's not an abstract word) then so be it. -
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By the way Case, thanks for the EI vote. Really appreciate it. Apart from the fact that such an edit does not warrant an EI vote (since you are so keen on the guidelines, perhaps check when an EI vote is justified) but then you try to justify it with a link which does not work is a bit of a problem. Should I EI your edit? -
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svendutchmountains
By the way Case, thanks for the EI vote. Really appreciate it. Apart from the fact that such an edit does not warrant an EI vote (since you are so keen on the guidelines, perhaps check when an EI vote is justified) but then you try to justify it with a link which does not work is a bit of a problem. Should I EI your edit?
https://www.discogs.sie.com/artist/4226311-FAKY/history?utm_campaign=submission-activity&utm_source=relationship&utm_medium=pm#latest -
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svendutchmountains
Why bring this topic to this thread from the submission history where it belongs? Yeah, the EI vote might have been a bit too much, but you did a completely pointless preference edit there. Also, the link worked, it was just missing a space, so checking it or doing a quick search would have done the job. If you want to discuss this any further, do it there and not in this thread.
By the way Case, thanks for the EI vote. Really appreciate it. Apart from the fact that such an edit does not warrant an EI vote (since you are so keen on the guidelines, perhaps check when an EI vote is justified) but then you try to justify it with a link which does not work is a bit of a problem. Should I EI your edit? -
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I brought it to this discussion because the EI originated as a result of this discussion.
I am also happy to bring it to this discussion (https://www.discogs.sie.com/forum/thread/814675#8519455) "Why do s still vote negatively rather than fix themselves?" - which is all ers who aggressively voting EI, NMC etc.
Just out of curiosity - why did you vote EI, rather than correcting it (or even voting NmiC)? And why the aggressiveness? -
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leinad
YYK no label
this is actually the same case as used @ https://www.yoyaku.io/label/yyk-no-label/ - but I wonder if it's an actual record label... or just a "label" under which they list every single record they can't label otherwise... -
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maxxyme
I wonder if it's an actual record label... or just a "label" under which they list every single record they can't label otherwise...
In any case, no reason for the caps not to be as per RSG §1.2.1. -
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The Call Of THe Four Gates (notice the "THe") -
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If auboisdormant, only the first 25 entries in that list (out of at least 719 items) are saved in the Web Archive here:
https://web.archive.org/web/20190729195147/https://www.discogs.sie.com/lists/Incorrectly-capitalized-artist-and-label-names/123711
While auboisdormant obviously put a lot of effort into compiling it, perhaps they could on the full list to whoever really wants to try and recreate it? Thanks for your efforts in any case! -
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When I asked for someone else to take over the list, there was very little interest. Instead people suggested starting a Wiki page but I didn't have time for that (still don't), and the whole thing died:
https://www.discogs.sie.com/forum/thread/799078 -
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HomerHossa edited over 4 years ago
rdvriese
OPA should be Opa.
I've already done as much as I can to change it on individual releases, except when those releases spell it OPA in an unambiguous way.
As I've learnt from https://www.discogs.sie.com/forum/thread/833620#8607355 -
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svendutchmountains
Just out of curiosity - why did you vote EI, rather than correcting it (or even voting NmiC)? And why the aggressiveness?
An EI vote for a simple capitalisation discussion. Or 13 EI votes for one and the same wrong reasoning instead of 1 EI vote and a conversation ... This whole voting thing is making Discogs an unpleasant place. On the one hand because people overestimate its impact, on the other hand because voting is perhaps not always the best way to see a change through ? -
underthesilence edited over 4 years ago
We Came Out LIke Tigers (a2522933) → The capital i in "Like" needs to be lowercase.
In case this also counts:
Yob (a563922) → They write themselve all uppercase. -
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underthesilence
Tesa (a1092101) → They write themselve all uppercase.
Yob (a563922) → They write themselve all uppercase.
Tesa - on their bandcamp, in the description field they use 'Tesa'
Yob - their facebook has 'Yob' -
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zin
Tesa - on their bandcamp, in the description field they use 'Tesa'
Yob - their facebook has 'Yob'
Regarding YOB:
Atma) and it says "YOB".
Regarding TESA:
Yes, in the description field it's written "Tesa" but the heading says "T E S A" (even with spaces), same on their Instagram, and their Facebook says TESA. -
punkergott edited over 4 years ago
underthesilence
Yob (a563922) → They write themselve all uppercase.
zin
+1
Yob - their facebook has 'Yob'
underthesilence
Regarding YOB:
Their website says "YOB" everywhere they mention the name, their Bandcamp says "YOB", their Instagram says "YOB", their Twitter says "YOB", every title of the videos Relapse Records ed on their YouTube channel says "YOB", I just found one release where not everything is uppercase (which is Atma) and it says "YOB".
And a lot of releases mentioned Yob, examples.
At Yob - Catharsis on labels: Yob on both sides.. Also on the inner.
At Yob - The Unreal Never Lived on cover: Yob
At Yob
Very consistently and intentionally per RSG §1.2.2.a. (-:
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punkergott
At Yob - Catharsis on labels: Yob on both sides.. Also on the inner.
At Yob - The Unreal Never Lived on cover: Yob
At Yob - The Great Cessation: Yob
Yob - Atma = Yob
Yob - The Unreal Never Lived - Live At Roadburn 2012 = Yob
Very consistently and intentionally per RSG §1.2.2.a. (-:
All those examples you gave have the logo. You can't even tell if it's meant to be all lowercase. And if you have a more specific look HERE where they used standard capitalization on the release it says "Endless thanks to everyone who has ed YOB." ;)
Also the card has "YOB" on it. "Atma" has the same logo on the cover but it says "YOB" next to "Atma" on spine, "YOB" on backcover and the last page of the booklet.
RSG §1.2.2a. says "Artist names which have consistently unique letter-casing will be accepted with proof that the artist uses that spelling consistently and intentionally."
Like I mentioned in my previous post: In the bio on their website they use "YOB" consistently and intentionally.
I do see that Facebook has "Yob" but it's the only site of all their official ones. And even in their description on Facebook which they updated on August 5th, 2020 it's written "YOB". -
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underthesilence
RSG §1.2.2a. says "Artist names which have consistently unique letter-casing will be accepted with proof that the artist uses that spelling consistently and intentionally."
Like I mentioned in my previous post: In the bio on their website they use "YOB" consistently and intentionally.
The guideline is clear or not?punkergott
All is said in this case from my side, happy Eastern....
And a lot of releases mentioned Yob, examples.
At Yob - Catharsis on labels: Yob on both sides.. Also on the inner.
At Yob - The Unreal Never Lived on cover: Yob
At Yob - The Great Cessation: Yob
Yob - Atma = Yob
Yob - The Unreal Never Lived - Live At Roadburn 2012 = Yob
Very consistently and intentionally per RSG §1.2.2.a. (-:
Edit: Ps The first release Yob - Demo, on cover: Yob!
underthesilence
= Yob
All those examples you gave have the logo. -
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punkergott
The guideline is clear or not?
It is. That's why I brought it up. ;)
punkergott
And a lot of releases mentioned Yob, examples.
At Yob - Catharsis on labels: Yob on both sides.. Also on the inner.
At Yob - The Unreal Never Lived on cover: Yob
At Yob - The Great Cessation: Yob
Yob - Atma = Yob
Yob - The Unreal Never Lived - Live At Roadburn 2012 = Yob
Very consistently and intentionally per RSG §1.2.2.a. (-:
Edit: Ps The first release Yob - Demo, on cover: Yob!
punkergott
= Yob
That's your interpretation. Like I said I think you can't tell. It can also be all lowercase. (And of course that's just my point of view...)
punkergott
Edit: Ps The first release Yob - Demo, on cover: Yob!
If you want to go with the demo go with the self-released CDr which clearly says "YOB" on cover and backcover.
punkergott
All is said in this case from my side, happy Eastern....
Same from my side. Thanks, you too. Hope you could collect some round and flat ones. :) -
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label: Larssons förädling -
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Artist : MACK PORTER -
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OK both lists with artists and labels have been updated. Keep em coming -
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Label : esprit de corps -
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PAN for PAN (2) should be Pan (2). -
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DJ badboi => DJ Badboi. -
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small talk. should be Small Talk.
Especially considering Not On Label (Small Talk. Self-released) was generated by the same . -
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leinad
small talk. should be Small Talk.
Especially considering Not On Label (Small Talk. Self-released) was generated by the same .
For this tape small talk. - I've Seen Better Days is also the side information missing. -
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Not On Label (Mark Van Hoen Self-Released) should be "Self-released" as per RSG §4.4.2. -
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Be careful...
[see https://.discogs.sie.com/hc/en-us/articles/360005006334-Database-Guidelines-1-General-Rules#Capitalization_And_Grammar
1.2.2.a. Artist names which have consistently unique letter-casing will be accepted with proof that the artist uses that spelling consistently and intentionally. This also applies to artist name particles (e.g. van, von, di, de, la, etc.), which can be in lower case if the artist spells it that way consistently. ]
leinad
BLACKPINK
Capitalization is intentional: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackpink
same for:
kissmenerdygirl
ミカヅキBIGWAVE
RISONAM
KEV//BOT
INTERNET ORDER
in the blue shirt
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(quite) OK for:
KEATS//COLLECTIVE (because that's written as Keats//Collective in Facebook, although their other profiles are full uppercase)
Note: the Asian artists (as well as artists using some Asian imagery - e.g. the Vaporwave subgenre being the most relevant example coming to my mind: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporwave ) often use lowercase and uppercase without distinction, because their native script is NOT our Latin script: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_script
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maxxyme
Be careful...
I'm aware of RSG §1.2.2.a. What is "unique" about the letter-casing of:
- BLACKPINK
- INTERNET ORDER
- kissmenerdygirl
- in the blue shirt
and most of those mentioned in my previous post? They're just either all large or small cap standard words.