Master Release page rollout

Hello, all!

We've rolled out opt-in as the default to the new Master Release page for all s. Please let us know if you have thoughts / concerns. It's still possible to opt out using the switch on the right-hand side of the page. We'll keep this option for a bit while we respond to .

We're pretty happy with the new Version Finder. Please check it out and let us know how we can tweak it if necessary.

I would like to encourage the devs not to wholly eliminate the old "Find Your Version" list. The new MR page is pretty and somewhat useful, but does not have all the functionality of the old list.

The new version lacks direct filtering links to essential things like pressing plants, mastering locations and record companies. You can get there, but you have to enter that data into the Search Box multiple times, AND it presupposes that you are a seasoned-enough to know what it is you're looking for in the first place. The old page presents all Companies associated with the accumulated releases, so you can discover things - not just search for what you already know.

What I'm finding difficult in of looking over the data quickly and comfortably is how variable the heights of each entry can be. It's even worse with images enabled but not much better with them off.

I don't know if there's some UI theory about this but to me I find this really uncomfortable to try and read as a whole. I wonder if it's possible to have some kind of condensed mode where all entries are the same height, or at least not so wildly variable.

AmazingDiscoveries
What I'm finding difficult in of looking over the data quickly and comfortably is how variable the heights of each entry can be. It's even worse with images enabled but not much better with them off.

This got me at first too, I guess it took me assessing /why/ I wanted to look over the whole list, and it was mostly to scan for potential versions that I'm looking for, which I found that filtering out the bigger chunks of stuff I'm not looking for largely eliminated the need to manually scan the full list. YMMV, though.

I like the idea of images in the MR, and that you can choose more than one filtering option per category, i.e. a selection of countries. However, the dropdown menus of the filter disappear when I use the slider bar instead of the mouse wheel.

My biggest complaint is, though, that looking through large MRs you have to press the show more versions button again and again to load all releases, a show all versions option would be nice.

I also just noticed that the Notes section has been moved below the credits; I personally preferred having it at the top, above the tracklist.
Probably just takes some getting used to…

Diognes_The_Fox is there a reason why the data quality rating "Recently Edited" no longer shows a grey bar in the MR ? Now there's only yellow (New Submission) or nothing ('Data Correct' or 'Recently Edited'). It gives the wrong impression that an edited release was already voted Correct.

EliWasHere
Please let us know if you have thoughts / concerns

For some reason, some links at https://www.discogs.sie.com/master/5849-Armin-van-Buuren-76 don't work.
I click the release title of an item and expect the release page to open. The first four work, after that it's a hit and miss. The links simply don't seem to be there. Mouse pointer doesn't change either. It looks like this is only happening in the view without thumbnails.
Using latest Chrome.

How about a show all tab. Don't like to hitting the show more button that many times. It's pretty cool search function for sure, but I think the old format lets you move a little quicker

Old format lets my eyes quickly scan down catalog numbers, media type, country. This new drop down menu is hurting my eyes/face/brain/hair.

https://www.discogs.sie.com/forum/thread/949553?page=1&utm_campaign=thread-notify&utm_source=relationship&utm_medium=pm&message_id=9604721#9604721

Love it. Makes it so much easier to scan and find the right versions.

SDIRepresent
Love it. Makes it so much easier to scan and find the right versions.

Wow...really?? I find it impossible to use. I wasn't able to find squat. I put in what I know: Format, Label & Country. I don't know the year without looking at the rest of the release info and I can't narrow it down any further with the BaoI search field because even if I put the first obvious part of the runout matrix I get 0 results. This is with Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band which is, I think, the ultimate test. What's your secret? Is there a how to guide somewhere?

Thanks,
=^)> Shadrocker

Diognes_The_Fox
it took me assessing /why/ I wanted to look over the whole list, and it was mostly to scan for potential versions that I'm looking for, which I found that filtering out the bigger chunks of stuff I'm not looking for largely eliminated the need to manually scan the full list.

That's true of course, but for instance I was looking though a large-ish MR of a compilation for versions without a Compilation tag. AFAIK without something like a NOT operator you can't use the filter to find where things are absent.

Looking here gives enough reactions, I think, to see that the new look and especially functionality is NOT appreciated:
https://www.discogs.sie.com/forum/thread/926362

My personal opinion:
https://www.discogs.sie.com/forum/thread/926362?page=2#9604322

Oh my.... What a terrible view for Master Releases now.... This really does NOT work. Instead of seeing everything in one overview, you now have to click several times when you want to see every version of the release.
Also because of the borders and all the images everything looks so big that there is no coherence anymore, it looks like just 10s (or 100s for big MR's) seperate releases instead of one (big) list.

Jarren
This exactly. It's more cumbersome on desktop, but probably ideal for smartphone s.

I checked the site on my phone also and it looks terrible there as wel... Sorry, this really does NOT work.
For Master Releases we need a handy comprehensive list of releases, not big clunch of releases with big boxes and large artwork.

So, staff, you tried something new... it failed... so abandon it and revert to the previous state.
(Just like you did with the colours of the 'in collection/wantlist' feature, when it turned out it was impossible to use for everyone who is colourblind... oh wait... you didn't care ers there either...)

andrenafulva
You can (for the time being) go back to the old view by switching off the 'Master Release Beta Version' option on the right-hand side. This will (for the time being) revert the view for all master release pages.

Luckily this is indeed possible... But I'm afraid that it will disappear overtime :-(

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So sorry, I'm not enthousiastic AT ALL.... on the contrary.
If this gets implemented like this, it will be a HUGE step backwards for the active s on the site!

1st_Of_A_Kind
My biggest complaint is, though, that looking through large MRs you have to press the show more versions button again and again to load all releases, a show all versions option would be nice.

Among other big complaints I mentioned above, this especially is absolutely unworkable for big MR's.
How are we supposed to see all versions of a big MR containing for example 500 different versions? (and yes, there are plenty of those!) ... You have to click 20(?) times to see all, unworkable.

Another thing I noticed: In the new MR view it is not possible anymore to select any text and copy it to use it elsewhere (Say you want to copy a cat# to copy-paste it in the submission form or Google it for some reason, it's simply not possible anymore, you have to type everything manually.

One positive point: What I DÓ like is that the FTF is now completely readable in the MR-view, in the past only the first three characters could be read (for example 'Gate' when the complete FTF would be 'Gatefold, Yellow, Santa Maria pressing')

AmazingDiscoveries
That's true of course, but for instance I was looking though a large-ish MR of a compilation for versions without a Compilation tag. AFAIK without something like a NOT operator you can't use the filter to find where things are absent.

This is a fair point, having some kind of AND OR NOT modifiers for filters would be really handy. I'll poke around and see how feasible this would be.

JeroenG8
If this gets implemented like this, it will be a HUGE step backwards for the active s on the site!

I have been involved in this project since it's early days, working directly with the team. I've been using it solidly for a few months now. Why do you want to see the full MR list? What is the actual tangible need at risk here? As I stated upstream it was weird for me at first too, but once I got a handle on how the new system works, not only have I found it faster to navigate larger MR's, but I've found more older duplicates to merge as a result.

I know new stuff is scary, especially on this site, but, I was really heavily involved in this project from the ground up. Have some faith in me that I wouldn't do y'all dirty.

JeroenG8
One positive point: What I DÓ like is that the FTF is now completely readable in the MR-view, in the past only the first three characters could be read (for example 'Gate' when the complete FTF would be 'Gatefold, Yellow, Santa Maria pressing')

Yeah, it was really nice to finally make that improvement.

I prefer the new look in most ways, but please fix it so the Key Release appears first in the list. Surely that's a no-brainer?

Shadrocker
Soul_Shack_San_DiegoLove it. Makes it so much easier to scan and find the right versions.

Wow...really?? I find it impossible to use. I wasn't able to find squat. I put in what I know: Format, Label & Country. I don't know the year without looking at the rest of the release info and I can't narrow it down any further with the BaoI search field because even if I put the first obvious part of the runout matrix I get 0 results. This is with Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band which is, I think, the ultimate test. What's your secret? Is there a how to guide somewhere?

Thanks,
=^)> Shadrocker

I'm more of a visual person, so seeing the actual photo of the records helps me out a lot.

Please always keep the option to switch to the old view!! I personally do not like the new view at all. Takes up way too much space on the screen while losing more instantly visible different releases/catalog numbers.

selectorseattle
Please always keep the option to switch to the old view!! I personally do not like the new view at all. Takes up way too much space on the screen while losing more instantly visible different releases/catalog numbers.

+1

selectorseattle
Please always keep the option to switch to the old view!! I personally do not like the new view at all. Takes up way too much space on the screen while losing more instantly visible different releases/catalog numbers.

+1

Diognes_The_Fox
having some kind of AND OR NOT modifiers for filters would be really handy. I'll poke around and see how feasible this would be.

Something that might be more easily in reach could be a way to see a list of the ones that aren't selected, like an "invert selection" or "open unselected in new tab". That could double the functionality of the filters in a very simple way.

Diognes_The_Fox, any on the following issues ?

1) Countries with spaces cause trouble in dropdown
When I type in "" and hit Enter, it resolves the country and applies the filter, as expected. When I enter a country with a space in it, for example "hong kong", it does not work. Neither does "singapore & malaysia" or "Singapore, Malaysia, Hong Kong & Thailand".
2) Selecting text has become a lot harder. Why?
3) At the Armin van Buuren - 76 MR, the "76" links work only when you move your mouse over the right side of the '6', making it very hard to click. The link should work no matter where I place my mouse on '76'.
4) Release status "Recently Edited" is no longer color coded in the MR, making it look the same as "Correct" which it shouldn't be.

selectorseattle
Please always keep the option to switch to the old view!! I personally do not like the new view at all. Takes up way too much space on the screen while losing more instantly visible different releases/catalog numbers.

+1

The filters are not working at all for me. I tried it with both Firefox and Chrome.

edit: they are working, but I have to be very deliberate about where I click within the check-boxes. This could use some improvement.

edit 2: after further experimentation, I think what's happening here is that the checkboxes work fine if I click on them with the mouse button. But if I tap on my laptop's mousepad to click, the menu closes.

1st_Of_A_Kind
However, the dropdown menus of the filter disappear when I use the slider bar instead of the mouse wheel.

I have this problem as well. This bug makes the filter feature impossible to use.

Makes searching much harder.
So many other more major issues with the site such as server errors, and sites regular slow speed that would have been more useful to fix.

I wish the filters had an "and/or" option. Right now, if I click "LP" and "Promo" it shows all releases that are "LP" and all that are "Promo". Not "LP" AND "Promo" for example.

And an "exclude" option would be good to. Show me all "LPs" NOT "Promo".

I appreciate the expanded info from three letter to the full thing. That's a huge improvement.

Oh, and being able to add to want list JUST the filtered subset is FANTASTIC. If the tag selection could be narrowed down as mentioned above, then it would be just about perfect. And actually - if there could be a way to set a preference (temporary or otherwise), that way when searching through MRs, if you want to always exclude certain formats, or whatever filter, that it always does that for all MRs. That would be wild.

EliWasHere

Can you fix the typo in this thread title? "Release" not "Releaser". I think that would be wise to announce this correctly.

Please keep the option to use the old version.

If you try to click multiple tick boxes in the Labels drop down, only the first selection is applied. To replicate:

Go to The Beach Boys - Surfin' Safari, for example.
- Tick Capitol Records. Filter is applied; 73 results returned.
- Then tick Capitol Records Pressing Plant, Scranton. The list should narrow to 5 records, but the 2nd filter is not applied and 73 results are still displayed.
- Untick Capitol Records, and the search result narrows to 5 displayed subs.

I have tried this on several subs and the result remains the same - multiple filters from the same dropdown are not applied correctly.

baldorr
And an "exclude" option would be good to. Show me all "LPs" NOT "Promo".

As a workaround, I've been using the search bar to augment the current tag situation, which has been pretty handy.

jweijde
Diognes_The_Fox, any on the following issues ?

Don't know, this is really helpful, though!

At the end of the day, the MR feature is built into an antiquated system. It needed to be rebuilt from the ground up, and now that we have it, it's far much easier to improve upon the new system than the old one. It's worth noting as well, there's ADA compliance / best practices design changes that are baked into this that we are required to have, and there could be quirks with those as well.

I put in and got my whole wish list for new MR features, but I don't use the site the same way y'all do. Help me fill in those gaps.

Diognes_The_Fox
As a workaround, I've been using the search bar to augment the current tag situation, which has been pretty handy.

How would that work? If you want to see everything that ISN'T a promo, how can you search for that in the search bar?

Feels again like fixing something that isn't broken.

Dynamic loading is cumbersome and is not quickly searchable by doing a simple ctrl-f on the page. Having to click to "show more versions" is a terrible idea.

You get half as much information in the same screen estate as the previous list. Around 10 items compared to an easily readable and understandable 20 items previously.

All the extra clicking to show sections isn't great either.

Also, why not use the whole width of the screen instead of bunching it up in a box and having unreadable information?

This tool has merit because it's sort-able and searchable, but I think it should always have a toggle between a simple overview and this interactive version.

Diognes_The_Fox
Why do you want to see the full MR list? What is the actual tangible need at risk here?

I don't think it is really important WHY people want to see the full MR list.
It is a fact that apparently many s want to see the full MR, so why make it nearly impossible for them to do so?

I understand it takes lot of unneccessary loading time for people who only want to see a fragment of the total list, but at least make it possible to view the full MR-list without having to click 15 times on the 'Show More Releases' button.
It would already be solved when a 'Show All Releases' button would be added. Then you would only have to click one time if you choose to view the complete list. Yes, it could take some loading time when I click that button, but that way I have deliberatly chosen for that for whatever reason that is not important to other people.

Diognes_The_Fox
I know new stuff is scary, especially on this site, but, I was really heavily involved in this project from the ground up. Have some faith in me that I wouldn't do y'all dirty.

I know, news thing are 'scary' at first glance, but that is not really my biggest problem.
I got used to many things that changed over the past years on Discogs, like the new submission form, the coming and going of the tracks-feature (which I still sadly miss), headings and index tracks, constant changing and tweaking of the guidelines, and several other cosmetic changes.
My problem in this case is that some functions that I really used a lot are lost in the new MR-design as it now. (the ones mentioned in my first post)
If those get re-implemented somehow I'm sure I can get used to the MR-design as well.

Oh, and:

JeroenG8
In the new MR view it is not possible anymore to select any text and copy it to use it elsewhere (Say you want to copy a cat# to copy-paste it in the submission form or Google it for some reason, it's simply not possible anymore, you have to type everything manually.

JeroenG8
I don't think it is really important WHY people want to see the full MR list.
It is a fact that apparently many s want to see the full MR, so why make it nearly impossible for them to do so?

I DO want to see the whole list but also recognise that it's worth interrogating why and also that some quite big adjustments in approach might be needed.

For instance I may want to see when the most recent reissue of a title was. Previously I would just look at the list for the last dated one, the new way would be to hit the year sort.

Now... currently that in itself is a problem on mobile because the column sort isn't actually accessible on my phone in portrait mode. I also get no more tha four versions on a screen, it feels like peering through a letter box. Maybe this is telling me it's time to get a new phone.

It is very uncomfortable at the moment but I am trying to see how I can adjust how I work with it.

It’s a very good thing for the devs to note that whatever other objections folks might have, the new MR is not optimized for mobile. That’s a big no-no in today’s world.

Diognes_The_Fox
Help me fill in those gaps.

I really only use desktop so that should be born in mind. I'll be echoing things others have said.

Some sort of Boolean operators would be useful, or in some cases vital, rather than just a straight OR as seems to be applied. Doesn't apply to Year and Country where OR is the only sensible option. AND could certainly apply to Labels. Format is the big one as if I, say, tick the 7" and Promo formats then in 100% of cases (I appreciate there are other use cases such as seeing all 7"s and 12"s) I want to see 7"s that are also Promos. For the resulting releases to include all non-Promo 7"s and all non-7" Promos is very unhelpful to the point of making it useless.

Appreciate that including pictures increases server load and traffic but the 'Show more versions...' is fairly unworkable for mega-MRs (sometimes there's no substitute for seeing the whole list) so allowing a 'Show 500' (or whatever) when using the text-only view would address a lot of complaints.

The sort order in the filter boxes is by the number of releases. At least for the Year filter this isn't logical IMO.

Overall I like it a lot more. but the first 2 above are fairly compromising.

kjmahee
Some sort of Boolean operators

I mean, yes - but this seems so remote from where it's at now. Seems like it would mean a major overhaul of the brand new major overhaul.

I can't speak to that but it doesn't strike me as insurmountable given the rest of the effort likely spent. I wouldn't be using words like Boolean, AND or OR in the UI by the way! As it stands an OR in the other 3 filters is either the only way to go or at least vaguely sensible. It is not for the Format filter if an intended purpose is to narrow down to a specific set of releases based on more than one format tag.

JeroenG8
I don't think it is really important WHY people want to see the full MR list.

It is because that was my first gut reaction and it took me a few days to actually identify what my own needs were for doing so.

I think the functional issues are much more important than the display style. So you have to click a couple more times to load the whole list - big deal. Not being able to drill down with multiple filters in the same category is a big deal (see my post above).

Showbiz_Kid
So you have to click a couple more times to load the whole list - big deal.

Well, again on mobile the way this works is just horrible because when you click it the list jumps so that you are then viewing the new last entry, so you no longer know where in the list you're looking. It should stay static with the new entries being added below.

There are numerous things like this and it adds up to feeling very unstable and frustrating to use.

I totally agree that Mobile needs to serve a different page optimized just for phones. No argument.

Showbiz_Kid
I totally agree that Mobile needs to serve a different page optimized just for phones. No argument.

It is dynamic in some ways because for instance on my phone in portrait mode you don't get the image toggles or column sort headers. But it's almost like ti's optimised to piss you off because eveything is so unpredictable.

The way sections like "versions" behave when collapsing / expanding is just... when it's in the top half of the screen if you expand "versions" it opens off the top of the screen, there is barely any indication it's opened except the arrow changes.The toggle headers also very often move around the screen up and down when you click them so it's not clear where they've gone or where you are on the page.

It's certainly not adapted at all well for the screen on my phone.

Using a PC and Chrome I found that when trying to use the new MR it fails at the first hurdle because the images are smaller than the old one. I've just done a comparison and I would estimate it is about 30%. This is enough that the text detail on singles/labels is impossible to see (not read but simply see the location of features that differ between variants) and thus coarse visual filtering when searching for your version to list in the marketplace is impossible, thus you have to click on each one and view the images. I've listed a 1000 singles in the last 9 months. I dread to think how much longer it will take when the old MR is switched off.

Hopefully the new version will be optional and can be permanently disabled without having to actively do so every time one logs on the site. Honestly there are are bunch of little issues on both my mac and iOS devices and not one single improvement for me I can see so far. Before I could get most of the info I wanted most of the time at a glance. Now I seem to get very little of the info I want most of the time and it seems to require multiple clicks, adjustments, etc. to do so. If the beta becomes permanent, I'll certainly use discogs less.

metamorfis
Having to click to "show more versions" is a terrible idea.

It is very tiresome indeed, please apply a "show all" button.

CykoMF
I'd really like to see an "In Collection' filter option to show all copies of a release that are in my collection.

(said in another thread) - very much this too.

kjmahee
Some sort of Boolean operators would be useful, or in some cases vital, rather than just a straight OR as seems to be applied.

Searching the Sgt. Pepper MR for LP versions results in 620 pages, - ohh I forgot I'm only interested in the reissues, thus I tick the reissue box as well, and now gets 912 pages - that is all the pages from first filtering reissue or not plus reissues on cassette, CD and 8-track.

Diognes_The_Fox
It is because that was my first gut reaction and it took me a few days to actually identify what my own needs were for doing so.

Let's say I want to see the complete list because I have a much better overview of all versions that are of my interest that way, instead of seeing only a handfull.
One of the things that I often do, when I want to find a specific version, is right-click all the versions that could match my search parameters (which could be anything, country, cat#, etc, depending on what I'm searching for) , those will all appear in a new tab, which can easily be compared on miniscule detail level if needed. If not all versions are shown in a MR-list, one could easily miss one possible release that otherwise should have been clicked on.
I want to be able to rely on my own observations when picking things from a list, and not to rely on some system which could easily miss one or the other because of technical issues.

blach
It is very tiresome indeed, please apply a "show all" button.

Please, this indeed.

And

JeroenG8
In the new MR view it is not possible anymore to select any text and copy it to use it elsewhere (Say you want to copy a cat# to copy-paste it in the submission form or Google it for some reason, it's simply not possible anymore, you have to type everything manually.

I would also prefer to keep the option of having the old look. So many sites change the look of the page and it just puts me off, most of the time I just drop off the amount of times I visit.

deadwaxvinyl
Using a PC and Chrome I found that when trying to use the new MR it fails at the first hurdle because the images are smaller than the old one. I've just done a comparison and I would estimate it is about 30%. This is enough that the text detail on singles/labels is impossible to see (not read but simply see the location of features that differ between variants) and thus coarse visual filtering when searching for your version to list in the marketplace is impossible, thus you have to click on each one and view the images. I've listed a 1000 singles in the last 9 months. I dread to think how much longer it will take when the old MR is switched off.

I've just measured the thumbnail picture sizes. 1" square (25x25mm) on the new MR, 1.25" square (32x32mm) on the old. 625mm2 now versus 1024mm2 before in of area. This is not at-all helpful.

JeroenG8
I want to be able to rely on my own observations when picking things from a list, and not to rely on some system which could easily miss one or the other because of technical issues.

The thing is that very often some kind of overview of the versions is the first thing I want to see - at the very least how many there are. As it stands often you won't even see one without scrolling down. Again, I realise it could be partly about adjusting but it just feels frustrating - show me the versions!

JeroenG8
of my interest

That's the key (I hope, let me know if I'm wrong). For the areas of interest for me in larger releases, this usually means I can get all relevant variants on a single page just through filtering by format and/or country without having to troll through irrelevant entries.

I was finding I wanted to see everything because that's how I could find everything I wanted to, but with filters, I can just see the things I'm looking for without having to manually search the list.

Also thanks everyone for the input here, there's a lot of good reports of issues and potential points of improvement.

Not sure if this is the place for it, but for the life of me I can't figure out how to add a new version to a master release. I've done it before, I know the steps, but there is seemingly nothing like the "don't see your version? add it" function.

thedavidescapeplan
Not sure if this is the place for it, but for the life of me I can't figure out how to add a new version to a master release. I've done it before, I know the steps, but there is seemingly nothing like the "don't see your version? add it" function.

https://.discogs.sie.com/hc/en-us/articles/360005055493-Database-Guidelines-16-Master-Release#Editing

what i hate and cannot actually believe is happening is that i've got the desktop site open full-screen on a large monitor, but the full year of release isn't visible in the list. i can see the first digit only, then "..." - and there appears to be no way to widen the columns. totally fkn useless. so now to check the date i have to literally open every single version one by one. did anyone in the development team even open this thing on a desktop PC?

To reply with (just one) autism perspective; the new master release view with the complexities of filtering and scrolling is a hurdle that is much greater than the older version - with its first look overview that can be processed without overloading this viewer's senses. This autistic perspective may seem perplexing to the designers of the new master release, but in my case, the older version is many times easier to assimilate and navigate and that is probably what is most desirable for the functionality of such a tool imho. I can also find a specific issue / release in half the time it takes to manually click and filter options (and with considerably less stress). If I were to be granted just one request it's to keep the option of the old-style available. But I guess you've consulted with disability reps during the project already. Thank you.

didn't find where to report this, but I added a release to master hours ago and it still didn't enter the list.

Def Leppard - Diamond Star Halos

aberdeenalternative
didn't find where to report this, but I added a release to master hours ago and it still didn't enter the list.

Def Leppard - Diamond Star Halos

You definitely edited the master release, but it looks like a blank edit for some reason. Not sure what happened, but I added it just now.

https://www.discogs.sie.com/master/2648444-Diamond-Star-Halos/history?diff=19&page=1

thanks a bunch for your help o/

Devs:

When scrolling over the entries in the dropdown lists, such as "Label", it would be nice if there was a tooltip for each one. Having to check and uncheck numerous truncated entries in order to find e.g. "Columbia Records Pressing Plant, Pitman" is very tedious and destroys workflow.

A few suggestions:
- Exclude filters (e.g. by shift-clicking the checkbox)
- Add unknown year as a filter
- For BAOI search, add a dropdown allowing us to select specific field(s) (incl. cat# and FTF)
- If above is implemented, also add a button to add additional BAOI filters/searches
- Add "Remove x results from wantlist"
- Add a link/button for a full list, without filters so that DSOTM can be rendered without melting the servers.

This might not be something you want to encourage, but often I’ll filter down to a handful of releases and then I open them all up in tabs to start doing more detailed look at the data/images. I personally would LOVE a button for "Open All In Tabs". It would save time clicking on each one, especially when there may be quite a few left after initial filtering.

On one hand, I suspect you wouldn't want that sort of server load all the time, but on the other hand it's still happening. just manually instead of automatically.

when I sort by format, the resulting "sorted" list seems askew?

I don't post very often, but I would like to jump in and say that I very much like the new Master Page with filters.

But, as has been noted a couple of times already, an "exclude" function for the BAIO search field would be fantastic!

My example would be filtering format for LP and then *not* seeing "unofficial" because I don't want to wade through all of those when adding to my wantlist. Please and thank you!

Put quite simply: this beta test master release page is not a useful upgrade at all, I can't stand the sight of it & PLEASE PLEASE leave the old page!!! It's natural & easy to look at for hours on end...

Please leave classic view as an option on desktops. Thank you!

Pros: the filtering options
Cons: having to click "Show more versions" multiple times to get the complete list
Cons: no option to easily list the items in your collection and/or on your wantlist

at.win
Cons: no option to easily list the items in your collection and/or on your wantlist

Ooh, that's an excellent idea! Same would be to list what you don't own/want as well.

EliWasHere
Please check it out and let us know how we can tweak it if necessary.

https://www.discogs.sie.com/master/856340-Big-Daddy-Weave-One-And-Only

For three releases in this MR, the following is shown:
Fervent Records
Curb Records
Warner Bros. Records.
"+1 more label".

The release pages for these releases show only three labels. So why is the text "+1 more label" also shown ?

jweijde
"+1 more label".

Heh, which is always going to be illogical to show only +1, since the space it takes up for the note could just instead display the label. But I realize that's separate from the problem shown here. Just my pet peeve on these shortening devices which don't actually shorten anything.

EliWasHere

Please let us know if you have thoughts / concerns.

At the end of the release list there should be an alternative "Show ALL versions" in addition to the "Show some more versions".

It is cumbersome to get a full list of all for frequently reissued releases to identify my copy correctly.
Though _I_ don't really see the value in batching it, I will not propose to delete the "some" variant. Other s may have other needs than mine.

My two pennies,
Milesoftrane/Johan

I find myself constantly turning this feature off, mainly because of the screen estate it consumes, and lack of improvement. I can understand the solution is potentially useful on some sort of Kraftwerk release with 150+ versions, but for a typical 12" single with around 5 versions it doesn't offer any usability benefit that I can find.

One feature that would be useful is incorporating a "Master Notes" section, shared between all versions. A lot of the time the notes get duplicated and ultimately out of sync between slight variants of a release. Also the ability to review/comment on the Master release, not just one variant.

The more I think about it, a tree-like structure would be a better way of representing a "master release". This would enable the evolution of a release to be fully represented in the database and visualised. But that would require UX wizardy and I'm not entirely sure discogs currently has at their disposal! :-D

Perhaps in a future life / when I get close to retirement, I'll apply for a product position at discogs and help sort all this out.

EliWasHere
Please let us know if you have thoughts / concerns.

My biggest issue is that the logic function within each individual search dropdown is broken and does not filter on multiple selections, which is a pretty basic operation for drilling down through a database. Let me walk you through reproducing this.

Let's say you want to look at only the Stereo LP releases for a James Brown album. So you...
1) Navigate to https://www.discogs.sie.com/master/286362-James-Brown-Papas-Got-A-Brand-New-Bag
2) In the FORMAT selector, tick LP. The dropdown shows 25 entries with this format, and 25 results are correctly displayed.
3) Again in the FORMAT selector, tick STEREO. The dropdown shows 10 subs with this format; you would expect the displayed list to be reduced to show only the 10 Stereo LPs in the database -- instead, you now get 31 results, including an 8-Tracks!

I hope I've explained this understandably. With this functional error, the ability to search for multiple criteria (as on the old page with its clickable links) is completely lost.

I beg you to fix this basic feature - losing this filtering ability would render search functions within an MR largely useless.

Showbiz_Kid
I hope I've explained this understandably. With this functional error, the ability to search for multiple criteria (as on the old page with its clickable links) is completely lost.

It's acting as an "or" instead of an "and". At least I think that's what's happening.

I see so much power in the current set up but it's like we're just short the last few feet before the finish line.

Milesoftrane
At the end of the release list there should be an alternative "Show ALL versions" in addition to the "Show some more versions".

This would be a good option.

For example:
I have the chance to get another version of "The Beatles - Help" while visiting a store but i am not sure if i already have this version.
Searching the collection with "The Beatles Help" lists everything where these words appear, even none related releases, so no real benefit.

If i search with my mobile it was much easier and faster to use the Alpha Version with all listed releases instead of Beta-Version with endless clicking "Show more versions" field.

pointblnk
I find myself constantly turning this feature off, mainly because of the screen estate it consumes, and lack of improvement.

This.
As every so often on Discogs, this novelty is one step forward, two steps aside, three steps backward…

pointblnk
One feature that would be useful is incorporating a "Master Notes" section, shared between all versions. A lot of the time the notes get duplicated and ultimately out of sync between slight variants of a release.

+1,000,000!
This basic feature should have been there ever since MR was introduced.

A bit late to the party but here my 2 cents...

It has many good features such as the full FTF, the text-only vs. image view, etc.

Improvements I'd like to see:
- An additional "Show All Versions" button at the top
- A working (!) "Find Your Version", showing my releases only. The old view had it (but it didn't work at all)
- Get rid of "+1 more label" when only 3 labels are present
- Proper display of countries - "Netherla..." or "Scandin..." look awkward, while "Philippines" is fully displayed?!
- Instead of the useless all or nothing choice "Add to Wantlist", allow to checkmark individual releases and then "Add all selected to Wantlist".

EDIT:
- Add the grey colour bar for unvoted / (recently) edited releases again.

sebfact
- Instead of the useless all or nothing choice "Add to Wantlist", allow to checkmark individual releases and then "Add all selected to Wantlist".

+ 1,000 for this!

sebfact
- A working (!) "Find Your Version", showing my releases only. The old view had it (but it didn't work at all)

+1

Showbiz_Kid
+ 1,000 for this!

And another + 1000!

selectorseattle
Please always keep the option to switch to the old view!! I personally do not like the new view at all. Takes up way too much space on the screen while losing more instantly visible different releases/catalog numbers.

Too much clicking around. Also, it has been said that it is harder to discover a version you may not know about unless all the versions of a release are on the same viewable page. That in itself is a big loss because discovering different releases is a big part of this informative site.

Generally, we here like old stuff. Is there a reason the master release page needs to be changed? Seems to me the general consensus here is that the old page is just fine.

Stupidly clunky, especially on a mobile device. For example if I look at an international release with 100's of country variations how would I find a particular release without having all of the information to search by? Or modern releases with many pressing variations?

The previous layout allowed you to browse all variations at a glance. This collapsed table requires you to endlessly filter.

Not friendly.

EliWasHere

Now it seems the "show more releases" selection does not work at all. On the basis of the loading bar on top, it seems to load about half, and then hangs forever.
This has been a constant and annoying feature for a few weeks.
Milesoftrane/Johan

Here's a new weird one I noticed.

If you click on the thumbnail image, instead of just linking to the page, it owns the images (which is a different annoyance, but that's not what I’m worried about).

If you are trying to use the image preview to quickly find your release or to find some other image info, if you've scrolled down the MR at all, after closing the images it will pop you back up to the top of the MR list.

The issue with this is you can very easily lose your place. Since this is an ME list, all cover images are nearly the same so it's hard to pinpoint which one you just looked at and which one is next for you to look at. So I want to make sure that the page doesn't move when closing the image preview.

I wonder if there's any intention of putting an "edit release" link (for individual releases) back on the Master page, or is it there and I'm not seeing it?

I actually wonder for how long staff want to collect here before they actually start working on the necessary(!!!!) improvements.... or at least give what will be changed and what not. Or is this Work In Progress now and we will only accidently see what has been changed?
Any indication Diognes_The_Fox ?

EliWasHere
Hello, all!

hello EliWasHere and everyone,
just have found this thread at the minute, i should perhaps read and bookmark...
Question : do the discussion ’New Master Release Page: Rollout and ’
we have since 6 months in the topic ’Development’ has moved here, finally ?
respectfully, dub_e_72

It doesn't work at all for me.- Horrible, no overview and impossible to scope or search.

it basically does the exact opposite of what it's supposed to do, pc or smart phone.

Just abort the whole project, it destroys the MR pages. I can see no positive side to it.

Came across something weird
https://www.discogs.sie.com/master/312294-The-Beach-Boys-Ten-Years-Of-Harmony?format=LP&country=US

This shows one vinyl release with an incorrect order in the format: 2xCompilation, LP, Stereo.
On the release page the format is shown as 2xLP, Compilation, Stereo.

I quite like how I can narrow the search by multiple criteria. Good function for releases with hundreds of variants. plus then being able to add all the remaining ones to wantlist at once is cool.

I would like to see and use the old version too

The arrogance of the assumption "this fits MY needs for a search, WHY would you even need to see the entire list?".

The fact that this database fits the needs of a variety of collector-types, sellers and casual buyers alike and the simplicity of the text format we had previously are clearly overshadowed by the unfortunate idea that we need to blindly keep reformatting these websites and platforms to stay relevant.

It is simply frustrating that it indeed tends to feel like while some minute progress is made, the overall experience takes steps backwards in unnecessarily convoluted ways.

Also my desktop view won't show the years in full.

But hey everyone, we're just scared of change!

Oh no.. no opt out of new layout.. i hate IT ! i cant read the list ...it gets too long with the bulky frames... i really prefer the old layout

I've spent the last 20 minutes on trying to find the add a version button. Where is it??? Specifically for MC5 - Kick Out The Jams, as I have in my hands a vintage pressing that's not in the database. What an incredible waste of my time!!!